Comments on: Ban all DRM? Get serious folks… http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/ Thoughts from my warped little mind... Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:47:24 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: TripleII http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-4960 TripleII Thu, 11 Jan 2007 23:12:42 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/#comment-4960 I read this "The future is going to require a standard format for audio, video and photos that allows rights management as well as portability." from the perspective that you want a standard DRM, instead of as you intended a standard media format. A standard media format is a good idea, however, MS wants WMV because they own it, can "control" it, Apple likes AAC for the same. The best chance at consolidation everywhere is MP3. Zune plays MP3, iPods play MP3, every PFS device plays MP3, every computer plays MP3, every DVD player, etc. It could happen tomorrow, all other's die if MP3 was embraced by the RIAA. They won't because it lacks DRM, but they *could*. :-D I have less technical friends who get caught in DRM snafu's even when I tell them to avoid it, and DRM does nothing but annoy real consumers while doing nothing for piracy, that's why I dislike DRM. TripleII I read this

“The future is going to require a standard format for audio, video and photos that allows rights management as well as portability.”

from the perspective that you want a standard DRM, instead of as you intended a standard media format. A standard media format is a good idea, however, MS wants WMV because they own it, can “control” it, Apple likes AAC for the same. The best chance at consolidation everywhere is MP3. Zune plays MP3, iPods play MP3, every PFS device plays MP3, every computer plays MP3, every DVD player, etc. It could happen tomorrow, all other’s die if MP3 was embraced by the RIAA. They won’t because it lacks DRM, but they *could*. :-D

I have less technical friends who get caught in DRM snafu’s even when I tell them to avoid it, and DRM does nothing but annoy real consumers while doing nothing for piracy, that’s why I dislike DRM.

TripleII

]]> By: Jason Burns http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-4958 Jason Burns Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:45:27 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/#comment-4958 Thanks for the comment TripleII. I would say however that you did miss my point. The point is that the DRM model is broken, I am not arguing what is valid ownership vs. rental, just that if we, the end user, are ever going to get true fair use, the hardware/software is going to have to catch up to support portability. As long as there is WMV, AAC, etc, there are going to be problems. A industry media standard is the key that all media uses and all hardware supports. If that means a central body that manages your media "ownership" than so be it. I just hope we don't end up some huge authority (like the credit bureau) that controls it but doesn't really answer to the public/end user. Thanks for the comment TripleII. I would say however that you did miss my point. The point is that the DRM model is broken, I am not arguing what is valid ownership vs. rental, just that if we, the end user, are ever going to get true fair use, the hardware/software is going to have to catch up to support portability. As long as there is WMV, AAC, etc, there are going to be problems. A industry media standard is the key that all media uses and all hardware supports. If that means a central body that manages your media “ownership” than so be it. I just hope we don’t end up some huge authority (like the credit bureau) that controls it but doesn’t really answer to the public/end user.

]]> By: TripleII http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-4957 TripleII Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:37:22 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/#comment-4957 I meant to type "Plays for sure problem". TripleII I meant to type “Plays for sure problem”.

TripleII

]]> By: TripleII http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-4956 TripleII Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:35:33 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2007/01/11/ban-all-drm-get-serious-folks/#comment-4956 As outlined very clearly in the talkback section of the referenced article, you are confusing two different concepts: Ownership Vs Rental. When i purchase a cell phone, I am not purchasing a network, and I have no ownership of it. Everyone gets that. I purchase the right to rent the network for my plans minutes. Same with PPV movies. You are renting the movie, not buying it. Satellite encrypts the delivery of the real time content, but no one thinks they actually OWN the shows they watch, or ABC, or the discovery channel or the cable company. With rental only, you get EXACTLY what you expect. The key part is BUYING content. When some buys a movie, they typically think they own the DVD, and can use it as they want. When owners of a DVD are arbitrarily told you can't watch it in Linux, or sorry, you can't watch that movie you purchased overseas, the arbitrary restriction of how a person wants to use their own property is the problem. The RIAA/MPAA want you to come to believer that you don't actually own the CD or DVD or whatever, and DRM is the way they attempt to retain control. You get side affects that you don't expect with DRM. You get arbitrary restrictions on things people believe the own, and the biggest problem of all, the absolute inability of the DRM companies to create bug free and non aggravating flaws in their DRM software. It is apples and oranges. 7.7 million hits with google for "Plays for sure". TripleII As outlined very clearly in the talkback section of the referenced article, you are confusing two different concepts: Ownership Vs Rental. When i purchase a cell phone, I am not purchasing a network, and I have no ownership of it. Everyone gets that. I purchase the right to rent the network for my plans minutes. Same with PPV movies. You are renting the movie, not buying it. Satellite encrypts the delivery of the real time content, but no one thinks they actually OWN the shows they watch, or ABC, or the discovery channel or the cable company. With rental only, you get EXACTLY what you expect.

The key part is BUYING content. When some buys a movie, they typically think they own the DVD, and can use it as they want. When owners of a DVD are arbitrarily told you can’t watch it in Linux, or sorry, you can’t watch that movie you purchased overseas, the arbitrary restriction of how a person wants to use their own property is the problem. The RIAA/MPAA want you to come to believer that you don’t actually own the CD or DVD or whatever, and DRM is the way they attempt to retain control. You get side affects that you don’t expect with DRM. You get arbitrary restrictions on things people believe the own, and the biggest problem of all, the absolute inability of the DRM companies to create bug free and non aggravating flaws in their DRM software.

It is apples and oranges. 7.7 million hits with google for “Plays for sure”.

TripleII

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