Review: KDE 4 Live Preview

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11 Jan 2008

I must admit I had very high hopes while downloading the unseen KDE 4 Preview. It’s a SuSe Live CD and was a snap to get running in Parallels. What was I expecting? With the state of next-Gen OSes, my expectations were nothing less than a good knock-off of OS X or Windows Vista. After loading the preview, what I got was this:

Picture 1

It’s not even as good as Windows XP, much less Vista or OS X. The task bar is a big hulking thing of very little use. Who on earth needs a clock so big? It’s an improvement over KDE 3, but with the time in development, I expected much more.

The Main Menu

Picture 2 The first thing that came to mind when I saw this menu was, "boy, I sure hope you don’t install too much software." The menu system is simplified, sure, but if you had much, it would be a bear to navigate it based on such simple tiers.

The icons are fine, but where is he gloss and shininess that we expect from our latest OSes.

Don’t worry, I know you can get Beryl or Compiz working to get your 3d groove on, but these are often complicated and not out of the box solutions.

That means for you Linux faithful, this is what you have to show your friends and family as you try to pry their hands away from their Windows machines or Macs. I would call that a tough sell.

The Widgets

Picture 5 OS X has the dashboard, Vista has sidebar widgets. Both are more graceful and better looking than the tossed in KDE widgets. Look at this sample. Beyond usefulness, they just look cheesy. I wouldn’t want these up all of the time.

Keep in mind this is a very small VM window, so I am sure it would look better at a higher resolution, but they key point I think we should take home from this blog is

For Linux to make any serious move, there needs to be some real innovation. Let’s face it, people are all about style and without spending some serious geek time, Linux just isn’t stylish.

I don’t want you to take from this article that I hate Linux. In fact I think Linux is a lot of fun to work with. Tweaking it is a geek’s dream. The problem is how do you take it beyond a server and hobbyist operating system and put it in the mainstream. It has to have an edge, something that makes people want to use it.

It’s time to let go of the, "It’s free, it’s open source!" argument. Most people get Windows or OS X with a new machine and never pay for it. Price is just not a factor in most computer users minds.

In the spirit of showing what Linux CAN do. Why don’t those of you who are chomping at the bit to flame this post hope on my comments and link to how cool you CAN make a Linux desktop look with a little work.

25 Responses to Review: KDE 4 Live Preview

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JD

January 11th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

I must say (and sorry for the language) that this is the most fucked up, biased review i’ve ever read. I understand that it’s your blog and not PCMag or ZDNet or CNET, but man, have at least a bit of journalistic integrity. That being said, my take on the review/KDE4:

First, my take on KDE4: It’s better than KDE3…I think it’s sexy as hell, but it offers little useful functionality or improvement over KDE3 and i agree that it was developed a bit too long for this which is a half-done Desktop Environment. Also, for the record, I think KDE4 is better than Vista will ever be…and yes, i have used Vista and i even know the lead developer of the Vista kernel team who says the OS sucks and doesn’t even use it himself. Is it better than XP? I’m gonna say yes, but just by a hair.

Now, my take on the review: As far as the size of the panels and clock, you can customize that by editing a few settings (in the GUI)…That’s one of the advantages of KDE. As far as the main menu, i prefer it organized like that instead of 1 list of every category and that being it, Is it as good as was “advertised”, no, but is it not bad, yes. As far as the icons, i prefer elegantly made icons that are insanely scalable over shininess any day…Maybe it’s cuz the artists/graphics guys thought their audience was more than hick-ish idiots who are amused by shiny stuff… For prying people away from Windows or Mac, there are 3 levels of people:
1. The grandma…Uses it for checking email, doesn’t know much about tech.
2. The person who knows enough to be bothered by the slowness of Windows but has a decent tech background.
3. The experienced person who knows how to do what they need with what they’re using and they have a damn good knowledge of tech.

The first 1 and 2 don’t care about sexiness…As long as they can use the thing to get on Yahoo Mail/GMail/YouTube/Myspace/Facebook/Word/etc, that’s all they care about and if it’s faster than Windows with less maintenance required, all the better. Which Linux is already. For the 3rd category, they already prolly know about linux and have a valid reason for not using it (no hardware support, no Photoshop, no decent video editing software) or use it already, but they don’t count.

As far as the Widgets…meh…I was looking forward to 1 widget (KDETwitter which wasn’t $%&^&%&$ shipped), but i find widgets stupid and i even turn the dashboard off on all 3 of my OS X systems (I also don’t recall ever using Vista’s Sidebar).

Now, i understand that you don’t hate linux, but there is plenty of a use for it. If you don’t do hardcore stuff that is OS-specific (as i mentioned above), Linux is the perfect OS…It’s pretty (prolly prettier than Windows with about 5 minutes of customization), it’s fast, no need for any maintenance tools or anti-virus/anti-spyware working in the background, and simply put, there are no security risks associated with linux…Only about 15 viruses exist for the OS (compared to about 1 million for Windows) and Spyware for linux doesn’t exist. and if you’re gonna bring up that Mac doesn’t have security issues either, don’t…Not everyone wants to/can spend $600 on a low-end system to run an OS where Linux is free and runs on almost any hardware you throw at it.

One thing you also must remember…Linux didn’t have a decent GUI till about 1998…Windows had one in 1993 (or earlier if you call Windows 1.0 and 2.0 a GUI) and Mac had one sometime in the 80’s. I think with that comparison, Linux has come a LONG way in 10 years and within another 5 or 10, it’ll be 100% perfect for everyone.

Now, from your last paragraph, flaming is easier than helping, i agree, but as far as linking people to an easy guide to make their desktops sexy…I can’t help there…The closest thing to a guide i can offer is this (I’m a GNOME user, so i’m giving this on the GNOME side…Also, that’s what most distros use by default):
1. Go to http://www.gnome-look.org and find a GTK Theme and/or Icon theme you like.
2. Go to System-Preferences-Appearance and drop the theme you downloaded onto it.
3. Select the theme.

Guides are useful if it takes a bunch of work to make your OS look the way you want it to. Unless you want to see a guide of how to make your Linux look exactly like OS X/Vista, the steps i mentioned above are all you need.

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Vlad Gerasimov

January 12th, 2008 at 10:27 am

Hi, I am the author of new default KDE4 wallpaper, I wanted to let you know you can download it separately in many color variations from http://www.vladstudio.com/wallpapers/?keyword=eos
Thanks!

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Jason Burns

January 12th, 2008 at 10:29 am

Can’t say I didn’t see that one coming. I don’t think your points are really all that valid though.

Linux’s GUI is so far behind because it’s only been in the biz for 9 years? By that logic wouldn’t the first iPod have sucked compared to a Rio?

I also understand you can configure the OS to look a million ways, but first impressions are what counts. If it looks like a toy OS when I first boot it, I am not likely to spend hours on end tweaking it.

Again with the Virus stuff..I have never, ever ever, had a virus on Windows or Mac….on Linux. Your likelyhood of catching viruses is directly related to your knowledge of computers. I would say with much confidence, if you are smart enough to keep a linux box up and running the way you want it, compiling apps, modding xorg files, etc….then you are smart enough to NOT get a virus on Windows. I would sure hope so.

Lastly, I think you missed my boat on cost. If you want a Linux computer today, you guy buy a computer (very few sell sans OS) so you are either dual booting, or deleting Windows or OS X (unless you are buying from a select few Dells, etc. that come with Ubuntu) So if you already have a license for Windows on the box that you just deleted to install Fedora or Suse, how can you say that Linux is free but Windows costs? You had it and deleted it.

I know your arguments, I agree with many of them, but they are two sided and can usually be countered with just as compelling an argument for the converse opinion.

The point of my review is simply that Linux has to have an edge to get people’s attention if it’s going to make any stab at the desktop market. Not for you or me, but for my mom and my sister, and the 711 clerk that just does fantasy football on it. If out of the box it looks that vanilla and odd, they aren’t going to invest the learning required to make it any better.

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dalbor

January 14th, 2008 at 5:05 am

you said:

\”It’s not even as good as Windows XP, much less Vista or OS X. The task bar is a big hulking thing of very little use. Who on earth needs a clock so big? It’s an improvement over KDE 3, but with the time in development, I expected much more.\”

That is just wrong, and biased, so stop talking nonsense if somebody says you are wrong, despite JD might have been a bit \”impolite\”

you also said:

\”I also understand you can configure the OS to look a million ways, but first impressions are what counts. If it looks like a toy OS when I first boot it, I am not likely to spend hours on end tweaking it.\”

Yes, first impressions count, and you did not make a good one to me.

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Jason Burns

January 14th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Comment ninja no worky :(

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Jason Burns

January 14th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

@dalbor:

So, if you compare screenshots of KDE4 to Vista, OS X or even XP, you will argue that it’s just as polished? That was my point…

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Jason Burns

January 14th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

@Vlad Gerasimov:

Great job with the wallpaper Vlad, how did you create it?

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Jeff Valenzuela

January 15th, 2008 at 10:17 am

Jason,
You would think that you were writing about abortion or the death penalty and not just reviewing a new OS that was just released. I guess thats the kind of stuff you have to endure in this business.

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Reminder

January 16th, 2008 at 7:14 am

Quick reminder : http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174

For those who don`t want to many tabs or windows :
” * KDE 4.0 is not KDE4 but only the first (4.0.0 even non-bugfix) release in a years-long KDE4 series to come.
* KDE 4.0 is known to have missing parts or temporary implementations (eg printing, PIM, Plasma).
* Most changes happened under the surface and cannot be discovered in a “30 minutes usage”-review anyway.
* User interfaces being unchanged in 4.0 compared to 3.5 may be still changed/improved during KDE4 life time.
* KDE 4.0 will not be the fastest KDE4 release, like for KDE2 most speed optimizations will happen later during KDE4.
* Most applications (many are not even fully ported yet) will take advantage of new features which the new Qt/KDE libraries offer only later.
* Don’t measure portability success (eg MS Windows) by current availability of application releases, they will come.
* KDE 4.0 is only expected to be used by early adopters, not every KDE 3.5 user (and IMHO KDE 4.0 shouldn’t be pushed onto other user types like planned for Kubuntu ShipIt [btw said to have only 6 months support for its packages]).
* KDE 4.1 development will not require the same amount of time as the big technology jump 4.0, expect 4.1 later this year.

Last, again: KDE 4.0 is not KDE4.”

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Jason Burns

January 16th, 2008 at 11:15 am

Reminder » Great comment! Thanks for the feedback, it’s constructive and detailed.

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Nelson

January 17th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

Hi
why do you compare KDE 4.0 with Windows XP or Vista and that too with only looks?. If you think Vista or XP is better stick to it. Also, this is not the final KDE4.

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Chris

January 18th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

Can’t say I didn’t see that one coming. I don’t think your points are really all that valid though.

Linux’s GUI is so far behind because it’s only been in the biz for 9 years? By that logic wouldn’t the first iPod have sucked compared to a Rio?

That would be because it ISN’T far behind. Yep, you’re right compiz fusion is so primitive compared to Luna in windows xp. NOT!

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Jason Burns

January 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Chris » That wasn’t my logic, read up in the comments. And visually, it is WAY behind without 3rd party packages and a lot of hard work, not even considering how fragile and flaky but Compiz and Beryl are once you get them running (this is speaking with experience with both on Ubuntu and Fedora with nVidia hardware.)

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Can you be a Mac AND a Windows Fanboy??? | Philoking.com

January 22nd, 2008 at 10:16 am

[...] morning I woke up to see a list of KDE reviews and my name was the last one with the text: PhiloKing – Had to include this whinging tantrum from an admitted Mac/Windows [...]

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Wright Better Reviews

January 23rd, 2008 at 11:26 pm

About Jason Burns
Note 1/7/2008] I want to disclose that I now work for Microsoft. I will still maintain my OS Agnostic viewpoint, but per Microsoft’s policy, I want to make sure that it’s public knowledge that I am a representative of their company now.
For a real KDE review thats shows pros and cons, and is not biased go to.
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/kde-40-review.ars

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Wright Better Reviews

January 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 pm

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Wright Better Reviews

January 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Agnostic viewpoint, yeah right!

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Jason Burns

January 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 pm

Wright Better Reviews » yea, if I didn’t like it, it has to be because I work for Microsoft….that makes sense, there is no other possible reason… :)

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Wright Better Reviews

January 23rd, 2008 at 11:34 pm

LOL

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Wright Better Reviews

January 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 pm

Look I like vista (but I’m not going to use tell SP1) & Mac OS X and Linux. But lets face and this new eye candy its not revolutionary.
Its just Evolution.

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Jason Burns

January 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm

Wright Better Reviews » Oh I agree, but you are still ignoring the point. This is a time when the look and feel of the OS is a major selling point. If Linux is going to make up any ground against the other two, it’s first impression when you boot up a new machine can’t be this.

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Wright Better Reviews

January 24th, 2008 at 12:16 am

Really, I really don’t care if Linux will ever be for my mom. or so call user friendly.
If my mom came to me and said what computer system I should buy? I would say buy Mac. but what ever.

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Jason Burns

January 24th, 2008 at 11:05 am

Wright Better Reviews » Do you really think Linux as a desktop OS can survive on geeks alone?

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Lucho

April 13th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

Just a week ago I finish installing KDE 4.2 on a FreeBSD laptop, what a disappointment!!!!

Ok, I have to say that the KDE guys had made a wonderful work with the graphics and appearance, also it comes with all the goodies that you will expect from KDE. They had made a wonderfull job with all the applications (Okular, gwenview and dolphin) and the new concepts for the desktop are great.

The Bad:
1. Stability: do you fear the blue screen of dead? believe me that is a walk in the park!
Plasma just crashes at every opportunity it has, and I am not even doing some heavy use of the computer, just browsing and may be configuring a plasmoid. Sometimes the crash is so bad that it will completely lock the computer and I will have to do a hard reboot! I did not had such problems with KDE 3.2. Well actually I did once in a while but only with applications but not bringing the whole system down!

2. Memory hug: The system will turn really unresponsive here and there, same deal not heavy computing just a few application’s open and this thing will run to a turtle pase. I have 1gb RAM and AMD 64 athlon 2.5 Mhz (ok starting to get a little bit old but still) so this should not happen, the install was compile specifically for the hardware not by installing ports so what gives?

Features usability:
Here I have mix feelings since I run into the same problem with my previous install of KDE 3.2. I am referring to applets and in this new version plasmoids. They do not work as they should and I am not intending to spend hours on end chasing around trying to get one apple to work properly, a few examples:
Battery monitor: Useless out of the box, kind of puzzles me cause I install also PC-BSD and it worked just fine on first start on that system. (system was slow and crashed too for no reasons, not any better)
Weather monitor: After every logout I will have to reset the whole thing so it will properly get the weather station, pretty annoying. Also this was a major headache because it will crash the entire system once in a while

Other system issues:

Power management: A few things work others don’t, can they get every thing to work and work right on the first try? is it that much to ask?

Sound system: It work ok right away but after a few days running the system it decided to tell me that my sound car did not existed any more and was not usable. Phonon will show it as disable and all the KDE multimedia utilities (Dragon, Kjunk- box, etc) will not work! so I ended expending a few hours trying to figure it out, even upgrading FreeBSD. At the end the card was actually working fine but KDE will say that it was not; I had xmms and it would work no problem!

Dragon: why on earth developers keep producing a myriad of applications intending to replace software that works just fine (Xine in this case) ??
I ended installing xine any way because dragon just sucks

My first experience with Kde (3.2) was great , I had issus here and there but not as bad as this new one. This new 4.2 version still has a long,very long way to go!

I am trying Xfce 4.6 right know and loving it!

Last comment is not intended to start one of those flame wars. Each user is pretty much on his own to find the application of software that best fits his/her needs. Is not that the beauty of open source???

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Bert Wiley

January 24th, 2010 at 10:22 am

I started using linux with slakware in 1995. It takes some time to configure things and that has never been problem for me, but lately im not sure wtf is up, alot shit just isnt working. Im starting to get the feeling that we have just had a migration of windows developers somehow enter the code base. Sorry about my attitude.

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