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		<title>By: Bert Wiley</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2008/01/11/review-kde-4-live-preview/comment-page-1/#comment-24054</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started using linux with slakware in 1995. It takes some time to configure things and that has never been problem for me, but lately im not sure wtf is up, alot shit just isnt working.  Im starting to get the feeling that we have just had a migration of windows developers somehow enter the code base. Sorry about my attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started using linux with slakware in 1995. It takes some time to configure things and that has never been problem for me, but lately im not sure wtf is up, alot shit just isnt working.  Im starting to get the feeling that we have just had a migration of windows developers somehow enter the code base. Sorry about my attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucho</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2008/01/11/review-kde-4-live-preview/comment-page-1/#comment-22092</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a week ago I finish installing KDE 4.2 on a FreeBSD laptop, what a disappointment!!!!

Ok, I have to say that the KDE guys had made a wonderful work with the graphics and appearance, also it comes with all the goodies that you will expect from KDE. They had made a wonderfull job with all the applications (Okular, gwenview and dolphin) and the new concepts for the desktop are great. 

The Bad:
 1. Stability: do you fear the blue screen of dead? believe me that is a walk in the park!
Plasma just crashes at every opportunity it has, and I am not even doing some heavy use of the computer, just browsing and may be configuring a plasmoid. Sometimes the crash is so bad that it will completely lock the computer and  I will have to do a hard reboot! I did not had such problems with KDE 3.2. Well actually I did once in a while but only with applications but not bringing the whole system down!

2. Memory hug: The system will turn really unresponsive here and there, same  deal not heavy computing just a few application&#039;s open and this thing will run to a turtle pase. I have 1gb  RAM and AMD 64 athlon 2.5 Mhz (ok starting to get a little bit old but still) so this should not happen, the install was compile specifically for the hardware not by installing ports so what gives?
 
Features usability:
Here I have mix feelings since I run into the same problem with my previous install of KDE 3.2. I am referring to applets and in this new version plasmoids. They do not work as they should and I am not intending to spend hours on end chasing around trying to get one apple to work properly, a few examples:
   Battery monitor: Useless out of the box, kind of puzzles me cause I install also PC-BSD and it worked just fine on first start on that system. (system was slow and crashed too for no reasons, not any better)
   Weather monitor: After every logout I will have to reset the whole thing so it will properly get the weather station, pretty annoying. Also this was a major headache because it will crash the entire system once in a while

Other system issues:

Power management: A few things work others don&#039;t, can they get every thing to work and work right on the first try? is it that much to ask?

Sound system: It work ok right away but after a few days running the system it decided to tell me that my sound car did not existed any more and was not usable. Phonon will show it as disable and all the KDE multimedia utilities (Dragon, Kjunk- box, etc) will not work!  so I ended expending a few hours trying to figure it out, even upgrading FreeBSD. At the end the card was actually working fine but KDE will say that it was not; I had xmms and it would work no problem!

Dragon: why on earth developers keep producing a myriad of applications intending to replace software that works just fine (Xine in this case) ??
I ended installing xine any way because dragon just sucks

My first experience with Kde (3.2) was great , I had issus here and there but not as bad as this new one. This new 4.2 version still has a long,very long way to go!

I am trying Xfce 4.6 right know and loving it!

Last comment is not intended to start one of those flame wars. Each user is pretty much on his own to find the application of software that best fits his/her needs. Is not that the beauty of open source???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a week ago I finish installing KDE 4.2 on a FreeBSD laptop, what a disappointment!!!!</p>
<p>Ok, I have to say that the KDE guys had made a wonderful work with the graphics and appearance, also it comes with all the goodies that you will expect from KDE. They had made a wonderfull job with all the applications (Okular, gwenview and dolphin) and the new concepts for the desktop are great. </p>
<p>The Bad:<br />
 1. Stability: do you fear the blue screen of dead? believe me that is a walk in the park!<br />
Plasma just crashes at every opportunity it has, and I am not even doing some heavy use of the computer, just browsing and may be configuring a plasmoid. Sometimes the crash is so bad that it will completely lock the computer and  I will have to do a hard reboot! I did not had such problems with KDE 3.2. Well actually I did once in a while but only with applications but not bringing the whole system down!</p>
<p>2. Memory hug: The system will turn really unresponsive here and there, same  deal not heavy computing just a few application&#8217;s open and this thing will run to a turtle pase. I have 1gb  RAM and AMD 64 athlon 2.5 Mhz (ok starting to get a little bit old but still) so this should not happen, the install was compile specifically for the hardware not by installing ports so what gives?</p>
<p>Features usability:<br />
Here I have mix feelings since I run into the same problem with my previous install of KDE 3.2. I am referring to applets and in this new version plasmoids. They do not work as they should and I am not intending to spend hours on end chasing around trying to get one apple to work properly, a few examples:<br />
   Battery monitor: Useless out of the box, kind of puzzles me cause I install also PC-BSD and it worked just fine on first start on that system. (system was slow and crashed too for no reasons, not any better)<br />
   Weather monitor: After every logout I will have to reset the whole thing so it will properly get the weather station, pretty annoying. Also this was a major headache because it will crash the entire system once in a while</p>
<p>Other system issues:</p>
<p>Power management: A few things work others don&#8217;t, can they get every thing to work and work right on the first try? is it that much to ask?</p>
<p>Sound system: It work ok right away but after a few days running the system it decided to tell me that my sound car did not existed any more and was not usable. Phonon will show it as disable and all the KDE multimedia utilities (Dragon, Kjunk- box, etc) will not work!  so I ended expending a few hours trying to figure it out, even upgrading FreeBSD. At the end the card was actually working fine but KDE will say that it was not; I had xmms and it would work no problem!</p>
<p>Dragon: why on earth developers keep producing a myriad of applications intending to replace software that works just fine (Xine in this case) ??<br />
I ended installing xine any way because dragon just sucks</p>
<p>My first experience with Kde (3.2) was great , I had issus here and there but not as bad as this new one. This new 4.2 version still has a long,very long way to go!</p>
<p>I am trying Xfce 4.6 right know and loving it!</p>
<p>Last comment is not intended to start one of those flame wars. Each user is pretty much on his own to find the application of software that best fits his/her needs. Is not that the beauty of open source???</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2008/01/11/review-kde-4-live-preview/comment-page-1/#comment-17136</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wright  Better Reviews &#187; Do you really think Linux as a desktop OS can survive on geeks alone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wright  Better Reviews &raquo; Do you really think Linux as a desktop OS can survive on geeks alone?</p>
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		<title>By: Wright  Better Reviews</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2008/01/11/review-kde-4-live-preview/comment-page-1/#comment-17122</link>
		<dc:creator>Wright  Better Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, I really don&#039;t care if Linux will ever be for my mom. or so call  user friendly. 
If my mom came to me and said what computer system I should buy? I would say  buy Mac. but what ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, I really don&#8217;t care if Linux will ever be for my mom. or so call  user friendly.<br />
If my mom came to me and said what computer system I should buy? I would say  buy Mac. but what ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2008/01/11/review-kde-4-live-preview/comment-page-1/#comment-17121</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wright  Better Reviews &#187; Oh I agree, but you are still ignoring the point. This is a time when the look and feel of the OS is a major selling point. If Linux is going to make up any ground against the other two, it&#039;s first impression when you boot up a new machine can&#039;t be this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wright  Better Reviews &raquo; Oh I agree, but you are still ignoring the point. This is a time when the look and feel of the OS is a major selling point. If Linux is going to make up any ground against the other two, it&#8217;s first impression when you boot up a new machine can&#8217;t be this.</p>
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		<title>By: Wright  Better Reviews</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2008/01/11/review-kde-4-live-preview/comment-page-1/#comment-17120</link>
		<dc:creator>Wright  Better Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look I like vista (but I&#039;m not going to use tell SP1)  &amp; Mac OS X and Linux. But lets face and this new eye candy its not revolutionary. 
Its just Evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look I like vista (but I&#8217;m not going to use tell SP1)  &amp; Mac OS X and Linux. But lets face and this new eye candy its not revolutionary.<br />
Its just Evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Wright  Better Reviews</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2008/01/11/review-kde-4-live-preview/comment-page-1/#comment-17119</link>
		<dc:creator>Wright  Better Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2008/01/11/review-kde-4-live-preview/comment-page-1/#comment-17118</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wright  Better Reviews &#187; yea, if I didn&#039;t like it, it has to be because I work for Microsoft....that makes sense, there is no other possible reason... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wright  Better Reviews &raquo; yea, if I didn&#8217;t like it, it has to be because I work for Microsoft&#8230;.that makes sense, there is no other possible reason&#8230; <img src='http://www.philoking.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wright  Better Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wright  Better Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agnostic viewpoint, yeah right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agnostic viewpoint, yeah right!</p>
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		<title>By: Wright  Better Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wright  Better Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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