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03 Jul, 2008

The Vista Badmouthing Turns to Pure Lies….

Posted by: Jason Burns In: Linux| Playstation3| Windows

I recently read this article, posted on Digg.com, and really just want to post my own experience in this exact situation…

Picture this, you just bought built a brand new computer and want to install the brand spankin’ new Windows Vista Ultimate, you plop down $300, and away you go! What does $300 get you? A bare minimum operating system with nothing but MS Paint and Media Player.
So you spend the next 45 minutes installing your bare minimum operating system, it takes 45 minutes because the initial install is 15gb, so by bare minimum I mean feature set, not file size. So after you get installed you try to use the Internet and realize that it didn’t detect any of your hardware (video, audio, network), so you spend the next 2 hours spidering through multiple vendor’s websites who all have their downloads/driver section in different areas.

I hate to tell you, but this is just pure crap. I did just this a few weeks ago. I had a computer that was on it’s last legs, so I went to newegg.com and ordered a new motherboard, video card, ram and hard disk.

The Price

So I can get Vista cheaper cause I work for Microsoft, fine, but I can also find it a lot cheaper than $300, I found it for $222 just looking at newegg. So, first lets break down the cost of software that’s not Linux.

OS X is $129. If you go to Windows Marketplace you can get the Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 Upgrade for $129, but I know, you pesky Linux users are complaining because the Windows machine you DO have probably has a pirated copy of XP on it anyway, it’s ok, you don’t have to admit it, we all know it’s true :)

So you have to buy retail, I can dig it, so it looks like again, at their full retail, it’s $209 for buy and ship…that’s at Microsoft’s own marketplace (pointing you to Amazon ironically), I am not making it up..look.

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So we have shaved $90 off the price lie, and I agree $200 is still no insignificant amount of money, but lets get real, how many people in the REAL world actually build their own computers, odds are that the PC they bought had the price inflated $50-70 and they got it included. I am betting upwards of 95% of Vista users did not build their own PC. But you did, I gotcha, so let’s talk about that.

What’s in the Box

Just MS Paint and Media Player eh? Maybe you should look at that Program Menu just a “little” more closely. Let’s do that shall we? (And since you were mentioning accessories, and not applications, we’ll add those in too.

Application Description
Internet Explorer Web Browser
Windows Calendar Scheduling Application
Windows Contacts Contact Management
Windows Defender Malware Removal
Windows DVD Maker DVD Creation (Menu’s, burning, etc)
Windows Fax and Scan People still fax?
Windows Live Messenger IM Client
Windows Mail Email Application
Windows Media Player Audio and Video player
Windows Media Center Full Media Management Software
Windows Meeting Space Collaboration tool
Windows Movie Maker Video Editing including HD
Windows Photo Gallery Photo Management/editing
Windows Update Software management
Calculator Calculates
Notepad Text file editing
Paint Very basic image editing
Remote Desktop Remote control of computers
Snipping Tool screen capture and annotation
Sound Recorder Audio Recording (not multitrack)
Windows Sidebar Widgets!!
Wordpad Basic Word Processor

That sure seems like more than the Linux fanboy listed, and that’s just a cursory glance at my start menu, that’s not including all of the new goodies under the hood. Something tells me that my mom and dad could make do with a Vista machine and not have to buy anything at all besides a good virus program.

45 Minute Install?

What kinda crap hardware are you putting this on man? My install took 20 minutes, another 25 for all the updates. And it was closer to 6GB, not 15GB. Again, out and out lie bro.

No Drivers Detected

So I bought an ASUS motherboard, nVidia Video card and Vista auto detected everything the first time. I spent no time downloading drivers I HAD to install. I did update the video driver to the latest reference driver. But I had a total working system the minute it was done. You sure you weren’t trying to install this on a Circa 1995 486? Just because you can run Linux on garbage doesn’t mean Windows has to run at the dump too.

Sorry to sound so negative, but geeze man, talk about beating a dead horse. I am not a Windows fanboy, sure I work for Microsoft, but I own two Macs, I have used about every flavor of Linux in the mainstream, I know my way around a shell and I spent 3 of the last 4 years developing java code to run on Tomcat and BEA Weblogic on Linux, I am not disillusioned by my new employer. I just get tired of the negative press that just lies out and out to make Vista look bad. When I built the new box I mention here, I officially retired XP, and I have had not ONE single issue with this machine. Beside it I have an HP that I upgraded to Vista 64 bit, changed the video card, it has a TV tuner, I run games on it, again, no issues. I know people have issues, I am not dumb, but usually you can say “what did you install it on?” and have a pretty good idea why.

Read the comments for a good laugh, Linux evangelists really are delusional.

7 Responses to "The Vista Badmouthing Turns to Pure Lies…."

1 | AshenTech

July 3rd, 2008 at 8:25 pm

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yeah that guys artical was out and out bullshit, he tryed to comeoff as unbias, but his hate of ms was clear, and again IM NO MS LOVER or vista lover, but fact is everything he said about windows, well i turned it back on him, linux is usefull for SOME things, but its far from being as user friendly as windows in most cases its alot more work the windows is to deal with….sure no viruses, but you gotta deal with stuff that forced u do go into commandline mode to fix it, and driver updates are a bitch :(

2 | SHRIKEE

July 4th, 2008 at 11:50 am

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But vista is sluggish slow system!
Coincidentally i had to test some stuff on Vista (Yes even Apple Service Employees need to sometimes!) So i grabbed a 2 Ghz Core duo / 1GB ram Macbook and installed Vista on it. It took like 20-35 minutes to install, bootcamp drivers worked out fine. Updates also went smooth. So all in all my experience wasn’t that bad with setting it up. Gotta be fair here!

But damn was everything slow while working on the desktop. On every mouse click i kept seeing that *loading* cursor for a split second and of course delayed the action i did too a bit. All i did was for example selecting files and run some command prompt stuff. Or when i was unmounting my USB pen drive i would choke on everything but the message telling me i could remove it. Booting the computer actually took 3 minutes to the login screen. I didn’t *actually* use vista before so i had to search for some things. The search function took longer to locate the files i needed than i would think again and navigate to it myself.

Horrible!

3 | Amused

July 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

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I’m amused (and impressed) that the author went to such lengths to disprove a satire…

4 | Jason Burns

July 4th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

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@Amused: Satire my butt, search Vista, this is the only kind of news you will find. It’s slow, it’s buggy, it has no driver support, it requires 10GB of ram, you need to sell your car to buy a computer that will run it….

5 | Jason Burns

July 4th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

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@SHRIKEE: I don’t know what you did bro, but I have installed it on less of a system and it ran just fine. I wouldn’t put Photoshop on it, but it wasn’t sluggish to use for general stuff.

6 | SHRIKEE

July 10th, 2008 at 8:06 am

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Jason, but if the news is EVERYWHERE you look, isnt it a bit true then? I’m sure your argument of people running it on old systems is very valid too and thus counts for maybe half of the complaints. But still the other 50% would be on new computers then, and still people complain… Something must be wrong then?

Also, working for an Apple reseller since Vista was released an exponential amount of windows-to-mac switchers has occurred… We barely can’t cope in some of our stores.

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