Comments on: The Apple fanboy frame of mind http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/ Thoughts from my warped little mind... Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:47:24 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Gabriel http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22818 Gabriel Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:53:13 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22818 I think that the root of Apple Fanboyism, if we're talking in legitimate terms about thoughtful individuals, not wealthy suburban tweens, is tragically synonymous with the cliche distinction that Apples are for artists, and PCs are for bureaucrats. The cliche, of course, is ridiculous on a content level, because as you stated- PCs simply have more power and better function when it comes to packing in the ram and tossing around huge image files. But on a form level, the distinction between Apple's M.O. and Microsoft's M.O. is very much an artist vs society sort of paradigm. Form vs Function; should the experience of using the machines be enjoyable as a process, or should the product of using them be of higher value? I think that the root of Apple Fanboyism, if we’re talking in legitimate terms about thoughtful individuals, not wealthy suburban tweens, is tragically synonymous with the cliche distinction that Apples are for artists, and PCs are for bureaucrats. The cliche, of course, is ridiculous on a content level, because as you stated- PCs simply have more power and better function when it comes to packing in the ram and tossing around huge image files. But on a form level, the distinction between Apple’s M.O. and Microsoft’s M.O. is very much an artist vs society sort of paradigm. Form vs Function; should the experience of using the machines be enjoyable as a process, or should the product of using them be of higher value?

]]> By: Azizi Khan http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22756 Azizi Khan Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:03:15 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22756 My comments : http://www.azizikhan.net/?p=64 My comments :

http://www.azizikhan.net/?p=64

]]> By: Mark Crump http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22744 Mark Crump Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:47:10 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22744 Because I can't resist my own comments: http://www.writersmark.com/2009/07/09/apple-fanboism-and-the-inevitable-windows-apple-comparison/ Because I can’t resist my own comments: http://www.writersmark.com/2009/07/09/apple-fanboism-and-the-inevitable-windows-apple-comparison/

]]> By: writersmark » Apple Fanboism and the Inevitable Windows Apple Comparison. http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22743 writersmark » Apple Fanboism and the Inevitable Windows Apple Comparison. Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:44:29 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22743 [...] had a lively discussion and a brave soul from Microsoft chimed in, and a comment on his blog struck me as a topic for here: I had to laugh at a recent development on a thread I have been [...] [...] had a lively discussion and a brave soul from Microsoft chimed in, and a comment on his blog struck me as a topic for here: I had to laugh at a recent development on a thread I have been [...]

]]> By: Timothy Warren (timw4mail) http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22735 Timothy Warren (timw4mail) Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:31:51 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22735 While I do agree somewhat, you have to consider that the computer isn't going to just stop working all of a sudden. While I will agree the lack of OS updates isn't ideal, you don't have to have the latest to be productive. It may take more time to get the being productive, but you aren't out of luck. To be honest, if I were in that situation, I would try out a PowerPC version of Linux, and go from there. I'm not really in favor of the short, and shortening lifetime of the average computer, but at the same time, you don't have to just throw it away. While I do agree somewhat, you have to consider that the computer isn’t going to just stop working all of a sudden.

While I will agree the lack of OS updates isn’t ideal, you don’t have to have the latest to be productive. It may take more time to get the being productive, but you aren’t out of luck.

To be honest, if I were in that situation, I would try out a PowerPC version of Linux, and go from there. I’m not really in favor of the short, and shortening lifetime of the average computer, but at the same time, you don’t have to just throw it away.

]]> By: Mark Crump http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22734 Mark Crump Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:27:34 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22734 Now, I realize I'm heading into the Apple Fanboi Line, but why did you spend 10k on a PPC-based machine 6 months after Apple announced it was phasing away from that processor? Now, I realize I’m heading into the Apple Fanboi Line, but why did you spend 10k on a PPC-based machine 6 months after Apple announced it was phasing away from that processor?

]]> By: Jason Burns http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22733 Jason Burns Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:23:56 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22733 I am not saying it isn't for the best, I am saying if I bought the top of the line PowerMac G5, loaded to the gills, for pushing $10k in January 2006, and it's my media workhorse, I would be pissed off that here, 3 years later, it's quashed for OS updates. That's bad. I am not saying it isn’t for the best, I am saying if I bought the top of the line PowerMac G5, loaded to the gills, for pushing $10k in January 2006, and it’s my media workhorse, I would be pissed off that here, 3 years later, it’s quashed for OS updates. That’s bad.

]]> By: Timothy Warren (timw4mail) http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22728 Timothy Warren (timw4mail) Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:06:24 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22728 Although it is sad to see the only other popular computer architecture die, at the same time, this means less bloated binaries, as software shifts to Intel only, and it also means the usual (although, I guess unintentional) lockout of the previous versions of the OS to the latest software. Maybe the Intel architecture will lead to longer software compatibility? Who knows? Windows has its own problems with too much backwards compatibility that in some ways inhibits it moving forward. Perhaps there should be some sort of compromise, so that you get the best balance of progress and backwards-compatibility? Although it is sad to see the only other popular computer architecture die, at the same time, this means less bloated binaries, as software shifts to Intel only, and it also means the usual (although, I guess unintentional) lockout of the previous versions of the OS to the latest software.

Maybe the Intel architecture will lead to longer software compatibility? Who knows?

Windows has its own problems with too much backwards compatibility that in some ways inhibits it moving forward.

Perhaps there should be some sort of compromise, so that you get the best balance of progress and backwards-compatibility?

]]> By: Mark Crump http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-22723 Mark Crump Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:43:25 +0000 http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/06/the-apple-fanboy-frame-of-mind/#comment-22723 I'm not sure the Snow Leopard/Vista hardware comparison is valid: when Apple announced the shift from PowerPC to Intel, owners of PPC machines had to look at them as Dead Machines Walking; this isn't like Apple pulled up in a Vogon ship and announced the plans for the bypass were on file in Alpha Centauri. At some point Apple has to cut off support for that platform and that time is now. It feels logical to me, too. Especially since Snow Leopard isn't the bells-and-whistles upgrade Leopard was. Also, wasn't the knock on Vista that it ran like crap on older hardware, or you needed a decent card for the 3d effects? I actually didn't pay much attention to Vista when it came out. The firewire is a valid argument. I'm not sure it was aesthetics, or what, but at least they put it back. I think you're off-base with the iPhone upgrade though: that's not Apple's fault. If I had a Blackberry and RIM announced the New Shiny, I'd likely be screwed on upgrades for that. That was a fun discussion though, and I applaud you for sticking your head in as much as you did. I’m not sure the Snow Leopard/Vista hardware comparison is valid: when Apple announced the shift from PowerPC to Intel, owners of PPC machines had to look at them as Dead Machines Walking; this isn’t like Apple pulled up in a Vogon ship and announced the plans for the bypass were on file in Alpha Centauri. At some point Apple has to cut off support for that platform and that time is now. It feels logical to me, too. Especially since Snow Leopard isn’t the bells-and-whistles upgrade Leopard was. Also, wasn’t the knock on Vista that it ran like crap on older hardware, or you needed a decent card for the 3d effects? I actually didn’t pay much attention to Vista when it came out.

The firewire is a valid argument. I’m not sure it was aesthetics, or what, but at least they put it back.

I think you’re off-base with the iPhone upgrade though: that’s not Apple’s fault. If I had a Blackberry and RIM announced the New Shiny, I’d likely be screwed on upgrades for that.

That was a fun discussion though, and I applaud you for sticking your head in as much as you did.

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