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	<title>Comments on: A look at stupid statistics &#8211; NPDs flawed view that 91 percent of over $1000 computers are Apples means success</title>
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		<title>By: Does Apple Have a “91 Percent” Share of the High-End? &#124; Mac Bargains</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Apple Have a “91 Percent” Share of the High-End? &#124; Mac Bargains</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn&#8217;t take much to refute the market share angle. I don&#8217;t agree with the article using just Best Buy as a point of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: indie</title>
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		<dc:creator>indie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think i will spend that amount for a system. There are many cheaper alternatives to it so y waste money..</description>
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		<title>By: David Koh</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Koh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I just wanted to point out that Apple just had it&#039;s best non-holiday quarter ever while Microsoft just had a very lousy fiscal year. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/23/microsoft_suffers_worst_fiscal_year_ever_while_apple_rises.html

A few days back I checked the market cap on both Microsoft and Apple, their market cap as around 205B and 143.42B respectively. Now I know that a difference of 60B is a lot, however it just proves your point that even though the margin is high the money is not there cos nobody buys them wrong. With such a small market share and so many fewer employees, their market cap is very impressive.

I&#039;m from Singapore, and here, I have to say that Apple is extremely extremely popular. In my hall in a boarding school here, there are at least 8 mac books, 2 of them being a pro out of 48 people. Now this might seem extremely little, but when I first came here (last year), there were only 3 ppl who had MacBooks. 

In my class in school (admittedly it&#039;s a school with very rich people), 70% of the  class of 30 ppl have some form of Apple product, be it the ipod nano or iphone or ipod touch or ipod classic. Some of them even have multiple items such as an ipod touch and an ipod classic. Now these are their own items and not something they &quot;share&quot; with their family. Some of the classmates I know say that in their family everyone has at least one ipod. I think we can all agree that Apple products are slightly more expensive than competitors, but not all of us agree that they are better products. But what I can say that these &quot;premiums&quot; are not a barrier at all to people buying them.

My family has an Imac and a unibody MacBook and a second hand ipod nano I bought from my classmate who just got a Iphone. We also have 2 Windows laptop. One of them being a Toshiba tablet running XP. The Toshiba cost me SGD2800, while the Unibody MacBook cost SGD1.5k (bought during one of apple&#039;s one day sale online). The time I bought the tablet to the time I bought the MacBook was less than a year so price drops are extremely little. The tablet had all sorts of stuff like a touchscreen and fingerprint stuff and a drop resistant enclosure and all sorts of other stuff, so naturally I was very excited to be getting it. I was extremely disappointed when I got it has it was junk. The fingerprint gimmick was useless, instead of making my authenticating process before I logged into  Windows faster, it just took more time for my computer to load the FingerPrint sensor. I couldn&#039;t even stop the FingerPrint software from opening up everytime I typed a password even though I had settled it in the settings. In the end I had to uninstall the fingerprint software. I took my computer 3 minutes to start up and quite a long time to shutdown too. Within the first 8 months I had 2 bluescreens of death from doing utterly nothing. The first time while copying Movies from an extrenal hard disk, the other while just starting up my computer. Windows also had so many other small errors that I won&#039;t even bother describing here.

The only experience I had of Windows Vista was running in a Parallels on my MacBook. I can say that I know Windows Vista is a resource hog because my Imac (1gb) could run Windows XP in parallels quite reasonably. On my MacBook which had a faster processor and 2 Gb of DDR3 ram, Windows Vista was unbearably slow. And those authenticating dialogs that constantly popped up for the smallest of reasons whenever I wanted to install anything drove me to hate Vista quite easily.

Last time my family computer at home used to be a Windows computer. We changed that every year by buying a new one. However, once we got our Imac, we haven&#039;t had the need to buy a new main desktop computer for 3 years. Yes, it is getting slow now, but I just intend to upgrade the ram from 1 gb to 2 gb and I&#039;m sure it can last for a few more years.

At my dad&#039;s office, he runs Windows on some of the cheapest machines there are (except for the more senior people in the company who obviously get better computers). Not because they are good, but just because they are cheap. He has Windows XP to Windows 98 in the office. Do the computers give him headaches? Yes certainly. Even the new dell computers bought at the end of last year are extremely slow compared to our 3 year old imac, even though it has more ram, more hard disk and everything.

The only things really stopping the office from converting is because, firstly the price, secondly because all other offices that they do business with uses Microsoft office, and their own suite is not very compatible with their windows and mac versions.

With all that said, I think that Windows 7 is shaping up quite nicely. My  roommate who uses a beta copy of it says its much faster than XP. If it is really as fast as he says, I&#039;ll be extremely happy to run it in parallels in my macBook so I can run applications like MetaTrader for my forex trading which is Windows only, thus solving my problems of some software not supporting my Mac =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I just wanted to point out that Apple just had it&#8217;s best non-holiday quarter ever while Microsoft just had a very lousy fiscal year. <a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/23/microsoft_suffers_worst_fiscal_year_ever_while_apple_rises.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/07/23/microsoft_suffers_worst_fiscal_year_ever_while_apple_rises.html</a></p>
<p>A few days back I checked the market cap on both Microsoft and Apple, their market cap as around 205B and 143.42B respectively. Now I know that a difference of 60B is a lot, however it just proves your point that even though the margin is high the money is not there cos nobody buys them wrong. With such a small market share and so many fewer employees, their market cap is very impressive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from Singapore, and here, I have to say that Apple is extremely extremely popular. In my hall in a boarding school here, there are at least 8 mac books, 2 of them being a pro out of 48 people. Now this might seem extremely little, but when I first came here (last year), there were only 3 ppl who had MacBooks. </p>
<p>In my class in school (admittedly it&#8217;s a school with very rich people), 70% of the  class of 30 ppl have some form of Apple product, be it the ipod nano or iphone or ipod touch or ipod classic. Some of them even have multiple items such as an ipod touch and an ipod classic. Now these are their own items and not something they &#8220;share&#8221; with their family. Some of the classmates I know say that in their family everyone has at least one ipod. I think we can all agree that Apple products are slightly more expensive than competitors, but not all of us agree that they are better products. But what I can say that these &#8220;premiums&#8221; are not a barrier at all to people buying them.</p>
<p>My family has an Imac and a unibody MacBook and a second hand ipod nano I bought from my classmate who just got a Iphone. We also have 2 Windows laptop. One of them being a Toshiba tablet running XP. The Toshiba cost me SGD2800, while the Unibody MacBook cost SGD1.5k (bought during one of apple&#8217;s one day sale online). The time I bought the tablet to the time I bought the MacBook was less than a year so price drops are extremely little. The tablet had all sorts of stuff like a touchscreen and fingerprint stuff and a drop resistant enclosure and all sorts of other stuff, so naturally I was very excited to be getting it. I was extremely disappointed when I got it has it was junk. The fingerprint gimmick was useless, instead of making my authenticating process before I logged into  Windows faster, it just took more time for my computer to load the FingerPrint sensor. I couldn&#8217;t even stop the FingerPrint software from opening up everytime I typed a password even though I had settled it in the settings. In the end I had to uninstall the fingerprint software. I took my computer 3 minutes to start up and quite a long time to shutdown too. Within the first 8 months I had 2 bluescreens of death from doing utterly nothing. The first time while copying Movies from an extrenal hard disk, the other while just starting up my computer. Windows also had so many other small errors that I won&#8217;t even bother describing here.</p>
<p>The only experience I had of Windows Vista was running in a Parallels on my MacBook. I can say that I know Windows Vista is a resource hog because my Imac (1gb) could run Windows XP in parallels quite reasonably. On my MacBook which had a faster processor and 2 Gb of DDR3 ram, Windows Vista was unbearably slow. And those authenticating dialogs that constantly popped up for the smallest of reasons whenever I wanted to install anything drove me to hate Vista quite easily.</p>
<p>Last time my family computer at home used to be a Windows computer. We changed that every year by buying a new one. However, once we got our Imac, we haven&#8217;t had the need to buy a new main desktop computer for 3 years. Yes, it is getting slow now, but I just intend to upgrade the ram from 1 gb to 2 gb and I&#8217;m sure it can last for a few more years.</p>
<p>At my dad&#8217;s office, he runs Windows on some of the cheapest machines there are (except for the more senior people in the company who obviously get better computers). Not because they are good, but just because they are cheap. He has Windows XP to Windows 98 in the office. Do the computers give him headaches? Yes certainly. Even the new dell computers bought at the end of last year are extremely slow compared to our 3 year old imac, even though it has more ram, more hard disk and everything.</p>
<p>The only things really stopping the office from converting is because, firstly the price, secondly because all other offices that they do business with uses Microsoft office, and their own suite is not very compatible with their windows and mac versions.</p>
<p>With all that said, I think that Windows 7 is shaping up quite nicely. My  roommate who uses a beta copy of it says its much faster than XP. If it is really as fast as he says, I&#8217;ll be extremely happy to run it in parallels in my macBook so I can run applications like MetaTrader for my forex trading which is Windows only, thus solving my problems of some software not supporting my Mac =)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@odullu: According to that logic, it&#039;s the over $10,000 computers that have the REAL profits, and those are eclipsed by the over $100,000 computers, and don&#039;t even get me started on the $1,000,000 machines! Of course a larger profit margin is better, but you still have to SELL machines, profit margins aren&#039;t worth squat if you aren&#039;t moving some volume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@odullu: According to that logic, it&#8217;s the over $10,000 computers that have the REAL profits, and those are eclipsed by the over $100,000 computers, and don&#8217;t even get me started on the $1,000,000 machines! Of course a larger profit margin is better, but you still have to SELL machines, profit margins aren&#8217;t worth squat if you aren&#8217;t moving some volume.</p>
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		<title>By: odullu yarisma</title>
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		<dc:creator>odullu yarisma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, according to NPD the average selling price must be in the $600 ballpark. It means that most shoppers actually buy a sub-$1,000 computer. But the over-$1000 PC market is where the money is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, according to NPD the average selling price must be in the $600 ballpark. It means that most shoppers actually buy a sub-$1,000 computer. But the over-$1000 PC market is where the money is.</p>
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		<title>By: Does Apple Have a “91 Percent” Share of the High-End? &#124; The IT Chronicle</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/23/a-look-at-stupid-statistics-npds-flawed-view-that-91-percent-of-over-1000-computers-are-apples-means-success/comment-page-1/#comment-22800</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Apple Have a “91 Percent” Share of the High-End? &#124; The IT Chronicle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn&#8217;t take much to refute the market share angle. I don&#8217;t agree with the article using just Best Buy as a point of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Does Apple Have a &#8220;91 Percent&#8221; Share of the High-End?</title>
		<link>http://www.philoking.com/2009/07/23/a-look-at-stupid-statistics-npds-flawed-view-that-91-percent-of-over-1000-computers-are-apples-means-success/comment-page-1/#comment-22797</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Apple Have a &#8220;91 Percent&#8221; Share of the High-End?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn&#8217;t take much to refute the market share angle. I don&#8217;t agree with the article using just Best Buy as a point of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: UPrinting</title>
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		<dc:creator>UPrinting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So truthfully, the numbers aren&#039;t even close to 91%, is that it? Then where in the world did the NPD guys got their data? From Apple?
I think not even 50% of the people are willing to spend a thousand dollars for a computer, especially if a cheaper alternative is available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So truthfully, the numbers aren&#8217;t even close to 91%, is that it? Then where in the world did the NPD guys got their data? From Apple?<br />
I think not even 50% of the people are willing to spend a thousand dollars for a computer, especially if a cheaper alternative is available.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with you there Adam. It&#039;s overwhelming in the numbers I published that 90%+ of the market is buying sub $1,000 computers. Apple may be making great margins on those computers, but the money is obviously not there if nobody is buying them. The money is in finding the perfect balance point between price, features and profit. I can guarantee that there are mountains of engineers, marketing professionals and finance people looking at that exact triangle right now.

The reality is year over year sales on desktops is significantly down for Apple (-16%) I would think that is a trend, not an anomaly. I am sure they know it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you there Adam. It&#8217;s overwhelming in the numbers I published that 90%+ of the market is buying sub $1,000 computers. Apple may be making great margins on those computers, but the money is obviously not there if nobody is buying them. The money is in finding the perfect balance point between price, features and profit. I can guarantee that there are mountains of engineers, marketing professionals and finance people looking at that exact triangle right now.</p>
<p>The reality is year over year sales on desktops is significantly down for Apple (-16%) I would think that is a trend, not an anomaly. I am sure they know it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact of the matter, is that sub-$1,000 computers are where the real users are, netbooks or not, that IS the market these days.&quot;

Yes, according to NPD the average selling price must be in the $600 ballpark. It means that most shoppers actually buy a sub-$1,000 computer. But the over-$1000 PC market is where the money is.

The same is true with cellphones, why sell a buckload of entry-level devices when you can focus on the smartphone market? Sure, this market is smaller (13% of total cellphone sales). But it&#039;s growing, though. And it&#039;s really lucrative. According to Deutsche Bank, &quot;[Apple and RIM] accounted for only 3% of all cellphones sold in the world last year but 35% of operating profits.&quot;

I&#039;m linking to the Google redirect page to bypass the Journal&#039;s pay wall.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124805149501664033.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact of the matter, is that sub-$1,000 computers are where the real users are, netbooks or not, that IS the market these days.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, according to NPD the average selling price must be in the $600 ballpark. It means that most shoppers actually buy a sub-$1,000 computer. But the over-$1000 PC market is where the money is.</p>
<p>The same is true with cellphones, why sell a buckload of entry-level devices when you can focus on the smartphone market? Sure, this market is smaller (13% of total cellphone sales). But it&#8217;s growing, though. And it&#8217;s really lucrative. According to Deutsche Bank, &#8220;[Apple and RIM] accounted for only 3% of all cellphones sold in the world last year but 35% of operating profits.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m linking to the Google redirect page to bypass the Journal&#8217;s pay wall.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/url?q=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124805149501664033.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/url?q=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124805149501664033.html</a></p>
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